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 No.9051[D]

Why did a regular pornsite go to hell? if we can answer that question in detail the issues that caused it to go downhill could be tackled in a new website and a potential revival of quality imageboard culture could be created, through site design and new moderation techniques the pitfalls of the original could be avoided and a proper revival could potentially could be in the cards.
I have a few ideas that could be implemented in this hypothetical website but moar would be great
1. Forcing posts to be uploaded HTML documents could weed out exceptionally stupid people who cant computer
2. This brilliant device http://stupidfilter.org/main/index.php?n=Main.HomePage could ensure a minimum quality of posts in this hypothetical imageboard.
3. Forced lurking periods in times of large influxes of new users
Is this idea retarded or do you think some new experimental quality control should be implemented somewhere? I would like to know your thoughts on this.

 No.9052[D][DF]

>>9051
This topic has been discussed a lot already but I guess it's ok
>Why did a regular pornsite go to hell?
Maybe an influx of newpeople too big for a regular pornsite to integrate. Sort of like the eternal september
Some people say it was the elections, some it was project chanology
Perhaps it's just that more people got online
Apparently somewhere along the road everything became much dumber, more bait and spam centered
I (2018 newfag) really liked this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5CBhPDQDr4 even if I never really browsed /vg/
It seems like many users don't care for the topics or conversations or being original/having fun anymore, they just want to satisfy their need for human interaction in the quickest/easiest way possible and that's it
>1. Forcing posts to be uploaded HTML documents could weed out exceptionally stupid people who cant computer
I doubt technological barriers haven't been tried before (actually I'd be interested to see such a place), anyway such a thing could be fine if not for being possibly annoying to do every time?
Maybe a 1 time trick upon entering would be best. Like a big black thing covering everything, and you have to remove it with an adblocker (it will have a unique ID to make it easy)
>2. This brilliant device http://stupidfilter.org/main/index.php?n=Main.HomePage
Spam filters never really worked well for my emails. I always check the spam folder anyway because of false positives
I think moderation is better at solving that problem. Works great here. You just have to allow deleting low quality content, and ignore "muh free speech" fags
>3. Forced lurking periods in times of large influxes of new users
That's interesting, but how would you go about it? Whitelist IP's that browse for a while? But that would mean that shutting off the wifi forces you to lurk for that period again. New locations, power outages, everything can force you back in the lurking period. I'm not sure how cool it would be

In any case as fascinating as I find these ideas I wouldn't experiment them on 22chan. It's already fine, and I think stability is important. But on an hypothetical experimental ib? Sure, why not‌​‌‌​‌‌​‍‌​​​‌‌​​‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​​​‌​‌‌‍‌​​‌​‌‌‌‍‌​​‌​‌‌​‍‌​​​‌‌​​‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​​‌‌‌‌​‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​​‌‌​​​‍‌​​‌​​​​‍‌​​‌​​​​‍‌​​‌‌​‌‌‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​​‌‌​‌​‍‌​​‌​​​‌‍‌​​‌​​​​‍‌​​​‌​‌​‍‌​​‌‌​​​‍‌​​‌​‌‌‌‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​​​‌​‌‌‍‌​​‌‌​‌​‍‌​​‌‌‌​​‍‌​​‌​‌‌‌‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​​‌‌‌​‌‍‌​​‌‌‌‌​‍‌​​​‌‌​‌‍‌​​​‌‌​‌‍‌​​‌​‌‌​‍‌​​‌‌​‌​‍‌​​​‌‌​‌‍‌‌​​​​​​‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​‌‌​‌‌​‍‌​​​‌‌​​‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​​​​‌‌​‍‌​​‌‌​‌​‍‌​​‌​​‌‌‍‌​​‌​​‌‌‍‌​​‌​​​​‍‌​​​‌​​​‍‌​​​‌‌‌‌‍‌​​‌​​​​‍‌​​​‌‌​​‍‌​​​‌​‌‌‍‌​​‌​‌‌​‍‌​​‌​​​‌‍‌​​‌‌​​​‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​​​‌​‌‌‍‌​​‌​‌‌‌‍‌​​‌‌​‌​‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​​​‌‌‌‌‍‌​​​‌‌​‌‍‌​​‌​​​​‍‌​​‌​​‌​‍‌​​‌​‌‌​‍‌​​​‌‌​​‍‌​​‌‌​‌​‍‌​​‌‌​‌‌‍‌‌​‌‌‌‌‌‍‌​​‌​​‌‌‍‌​​‌‌‌‌​‍‌​​‌​​​‌‍‌​​‌‌​‌‌‍‌‌​​​​​​

 No.9053[D][DF]

>>9052
If I remember correctly, someone said on a thread that a plausible realisation of a technological barrier solution would be to change the http/https/other ports to non-standart (or even better, those that are standart, but for some other sevice).
A hint would be required, though, so a second http/https service on a standard (for the sevice) port that would oly give acsess to a message akin to "there is more to this hostname" would be needed.

 No.9054[D][DF]

>>9051
>new moderation techniques
It's already being done here through "Rule 6:The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments."
All opinions are accepted, it doesn't matter what are your religious/political/whatever alignment, but the important bit is "the matter in which the expression of the views are conducted." I.e. you can say "fuck watermelon addicts, they are dumb" or you can say "watermelon addicts are generally inferior to most other races, one example being Koko the gorilla having an IQ(75-95) that's higher than the average IQ of an entire watermelon addict country, for example Somalia with their avg.IQ of 68, as is seen in many research publications."
It doesn't have to be rants about watermelon addicts, jews or anything else political, since the rule applies to all posts. Since we already have this system in order, I don't think we need to have additional tech-based filters.
>>9052
>Some people say it was the elections, some it was project chanology
It started with a regular pornsite users getting involved in fucking around with scientology, continued with gamergate and now is in it's current post-2016 election shid show.
>>9053
There's plenty of non-normalfags and people who would fit right in here who don't know much about tech, keep that in mind.

 No.9055[D][DF]

>>9054
>There's plenty of non-normalfags and people who would fit right in here who don't know much about tech, keep that in mind.
Even during "golden age" a regular pornsite there were plenty non-normalfags which weren't into computers or the internet, so as a result never browsed a regular pornsite
But I guess an issue which affects all of the alt-chans which we haven't named yet is slowness. Having a high barrier of entry in an already very fragmented community might be a problem. Maybe something very basic could be not too deadly though

 No.9056[D][DF]

>>9055
That's quite true, slowness is probably one of the largest problems. a regular pornsite has the benefit of being "ground zero" or the entry gate to imageboards for a vast amount of people, while altchans mostly gain people from existing a regular pornsite (or even other altchan) users.

 No.9057[D][DF]

>>9055
I agree it isn't as much about having the right technical features as much as it is important to have a userbase that can make an appealing site. You can have all the right technical features but if your userbase sucks your site is dead in the water. If your userbase is interesting and unique people will be eager to use your site. It is as clear as day what needs to be done.

 No.9058[D][DF]

> could be tackled in a new website
Isn't that what we're trying to do here?

 No.9059[D][DF]

The userbase betrayed moot. They got these radical ideas on hoe imageboards should work and how they should act as users, and newfags that joined copied the behaviour of the users, or acted how they felt a 4channer should act

 No.9060[D][DF]

>>9058
this desu

 No.9061[D][DF]

>>9059
This isy opinion of cource, mainly i got this by reading all of moot's posts from yuki.la (the a regular pornsite archive) and a moot documentery.
Good people posting regularly, good rules, good moderation, that should fix that problem.

 No.9062[D][DF]

It also means we need more posters, and said posters being of a good mindset, and willing to keep 22chan good by suggesting ways to make it better, and reporting bad posts that break the rules.

 No.9066[D][DF]

>>9056
>a regular pornsite has the benefit of being "ground zero" or the entry gate to imageboards for a vast amount of people, while altchans mostly gain people from existing a regular pornsite (or even other altchan) users.
I wonder if that could be different
>>9057
That's obvious. I think the discussion here was about "can we use technological stuff to help form a better community?" like for example you could make a website harder to access (even for example with something as dumb as having to solve a riddle to post) so that the people who are able to surpass this barrier are hopefully better for an internet community. Basically an entry barrier to work as a filter of users
>>9058
Yeah, we have a few rules which ban normalfaggotry, which makes this place very nice. However some people might be interested in experimenting with more "extreme" stuff (see the ideas in the op), which imo wouldn't fit here, as 22chan is already doing swell
No need to fix stuff that isn't broken

 No.9067[D][DF]

>>9066
I think the issue is, there (even for 22chan) isn't enough people to post on these imageboards anyhow, entry level people (who dont know or care about normalfaggotry) arent exactly interested, (boo hoo imageboards are extreme and scawey! or they just get disinterested over time then of cource the edgy faggots who feel that imageboards are supposed to be edgy and scary) and the normalfags who do come in flocks to a regular pornsite, and alt imageboards aren't exactly willing to change their ways. at least that's what i've seen and dealt with first hand. there was this guy who advertised his imageboard in his town through posters on walls, and that seem to work, but you never really know how people act. heard (or sheep) mentality is pretty killer. and running an imageboard is not a easy task to do, secure php, good code, good rules, good moderation, good users, doesnt come easy, (or fast) and enemies are easy to make.
Seriously, it's possible to make a "gateway chan" but you'd have to finish the board first, then advertise locally/on the normalfag web inorder for it to explode with population. and that presents itself with more issues to combat.

 No.9068[D][DF]

>>9067
Like, it won't be easy to manage thousands of people. and having a good personality as board owner also counts.

 No.9069[D][DF]

>>9066
I still think it is important to talk about more general things the community can do to reach its potential. This is not /t/ so I couldn't care less. What is the use of making the website harder to access?

 No.9072[D][DF]

>>9067
>>9068
I agree completely
>and running an imageboard is not a easy task to do, secure php, good code, good rules, good moderation, good users, doesnt come easy, (or fast) and enemies are easy to make.
>Seriously, it's possible to make a "gateway chan" but you'd have to finish the board first, then advertise locally/on the normalfag web inorder for it to explode with population. and that presents itself with more issues to combat
You'd have to convince enough people to frequent your website and put some initial effort in understanding it, and probably you'd need to "educate" these people on how to use an imageboard
So yeah it's very hard. That's why (to me at least) this is more daydreaming than planning serious action
>>9069
>it is important to talk about more general things the community can do to reach its potential
You are right. But there's nothing keeping us from talking about both things, right?
So... what fun things do you think we could do more?
>This is not /t/ so I couldn't care less. What is the use of making the website harder to access?
On 22chan there's no point in doing that. It would only be harmful.
But in theory, for a theoretical website, you could maybe grow your userbase without compromising quality too much through having filters (=making the website harder to access) and giving your website arbitrary exposure
Here on 22chan there are no filters, and as a result we are relatively careful about where ads are posted and how much attention we get. Hypothetical website instead could advertise more freely, because many normalfags simply wouldn't be able to join
Of course there are many possible problems with filters, like potentially excluding many valuable people while not filtering some bad posters anyway, plus on its own this doesn't solve all problems, just the initial attraction one. Then you need to somehow convince people to stay

 No.9097[D][DF]

I wonder how that imageboard, or say 22chan would handle getting flooded by all those posts once it gets popular. Thats the thing about a regular pornsite back in the day, people would make a thread, and come back the next day and the thread would still be up, and it was loved just for that reason. threads had value in them, and now they quickly get lost in a sea of bullshid and now it seems that it doesnt matter any more.

 No.9100[D][DF]

>>9097
It would be a gradual ride up the mountain because of where people are at now. We are fighting against the tone-deaf, lazy, normalfag part of current imageboard posters who post the same trash that influenced our rules. The difficult part is finding good people who consistently post quality stuff. That is more difficult now because new imageboards are being made every month and people migrate to what could be "the new a regular pornsite." The issue 22chan has to always address is sticking to its guns no matter what happens while still being a viable site.

 No.9104[D][DF]

>>9100
Perhaps it would be a good idea to create a "hub website" of some form for all the altchans with a cross-chan catalog and directory of imageboards (and maybe a forum for good measure). People could see what 3chan and 22chan are up to at the same time in the catalog and explore to find new imageboards easily, It would help unite the non 4chins imageboard community, sort of like the grand central station of teh interwebz. I see a lot of good stuff in the alt chans but the community is so fragmented it cant do shid so i think this might idea might remedey the fragmentation problem a little bit without having to get everybody to fully commit to one imageboard. It would be opt in of course imageboards who choose to stay isolated can do so.

 No.9105[D][DF]

>>9104
It's been done already

 No.9106[D][DF]

>>9105
link plz, if its allchans thats just the directory part, not the cross chan catalog.

 No.9108[D][DF]

>>9104
Meh, we would like the users that visit our site to use 22chan primarily. We are our own site and that is very clear. 3chan.co (if that is the 3chan you are referring to) has soyjaks and porn and that breaks our rules. It would be foolish to team up with them because we have different priorities.
>>9105
Are you referring to the altchan alliance or federation?

 No.9110[D][DF]

>>9108
You must be mistaken, i'm reffering to the directory the other anon is talking about. One of them is called buffalo world or something of that sort, then all those altchan lists on like ED also counts.



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