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 No.4626[D]

When making a site there are always trade-offs when it comes to number of users, quality of content, moderation, etc...
It's hard finding places on the internet that aren't infected with Reddit. And it's nearly impossible to have an at-least semi-popular website which doesn't have Reddit users browsing it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some of you are average Reddit users.
But I have a dream. A dream that one day there would be a place with good discussion, a large user base and is free of Redditors!
And it is not impossible; I'll use image boards for example. To mostly deflect Redditors, or at-least a Redditor mentality is by deflecting the bugman mentality (Here's the definition I use for "bugman" https://youtu.be/vdRJMuOFO88). Because all Reddit really is, is a bugman circle jerk. That's why I've always been opposed to 8chan. Is because the user can make their own boards, "bugman" boards, circle-jerk boards, /leftypol/. You need to combine topics that still contain different opinions. Because that's where the real discussion comes in. /pol/ should never be /leftpol/ or /rightpol/, /a/ should never be /shounen/ or /elite/, /g/ should never be /windows/ or /openbsd/...
Maybe if something like this becomes big bugmen will start second guessing things like Reddit, instagram, Zoomerapp2000. And (at the risk of sounding like that 300iq Rick and Morty meme) better internet will arise of intellectuals seeking understanding and new ideas.

tldr; The final fronteir is not in the stars or at the end of technological research, but within our selves.
Lets explore new ideas, new possibilities. Boldly go where no man has gone before!

 No.4629[D]

ITT : ((?))
what are you suggesting?

 No.4630[D]

Perhaps this should have been put in /sg/
But after thinking about it, how about "bugman" threads? Is that somthing we should be worried about?

 No.4631[D]

>>4630
That comes down to the moderation. Assuming the moderation is unbiased, there is nothing to worry about.

 No.4632[D]

We're gonna need to educate newfags.
Truthfully, the number of oldfags, and aged fags are dwindling through the years, and more and more people are becoming jaded from zoomer media, and will find other ways to communicate to other like-minded people such as us. People who want to be here need to learn to abandon their normie mindset, memes, and ways and pick up a underground chan mindset. Yeah, deleting your "nu-social media sucks. But after what i've been studying about that types of platforms, completly nessary to be rid of that garbage.
Heck, even helping twoot out and teaching him stuff he didn't know about chan culture seems nice.
tldr : oldfags are less and less now adays, we are not newfags, but youngfags, ushering a new era. Let's help each other make are time here better.
lurking helps of coarce, but learning proper etiquette, can change everything

 No.4633[D]

Yes, 22chan has rules. But how about the rules of the internet? I think that needs to be updated. You know like rule one, dont talk about fight club aka sites like 22chan.
How does one survive the internet now adays?
How does one ingrain those types of rules into it's userbase?

 No.4634[D]

>>4633
Yeah, Anon is right, the internet has changed a lot, we should reboot the Rules or something, like The Shin Rule of Internet.

 No.4635[D]

It shall not be just rules, but a constitution. i see it now
"The Internet Constitution"
"to help make OUR interwebz great again"
"Typed in the year of our LORD XI.XVII.MMXIX"
Signed ,
Twoot
Lolico
RoboCuck
And anonymous
lets do it friends
Do it for the new era
(unless you guys want it to just be internet rules. To me, a constitution seems funny)

 No.4636[D]

>>4635
>RoboCuck
that was petty. >:(

 No.4637[D]

>>4636
robocuck

 No.4638[D]

At least your in there robomaniac
Igc isn't
lol

 No.4639[D]

>>4638
>icg
it's LCG ya nigger

 No.4640[D]

>>4626
Icg
And
RoboCuck

 No.4641[D]

>>4639
Haha suck it
In other light. I cant wait until people says >RoboManiac like they do with Shadman

 No.4642[D]

>>4641
thankfully, you haven't posted any of your futas on 22chan, so it'll be a while before people do that.

 No.4643[D]

>>4642
Yall are lucky that:
1: I dont know how to draw that well.
2: Twoot banned the NSFW

 No.4644[D]

>>4643
and thank god for that

 No.4645[D]

>>4644
Just wait until we have enough netcharacters so i can make that 22chan Booru

 No.4646[D]

>>4644
No, thank twoot
HEIL TWOOT

 No.4647[D]

>>4626
>look at the bugmen in your life at 30 vs the non-bugmen in your life at 30
Smart guy.

 No.4648[D]

>>4626
> https://youtu.be/vdRJMuOFO88
I agree with the criticism of the people who identify with an ideology/religion/any other bullshit.
But I don't agree with the tradition thing, at least not fully. I think one must think for himself (obviously the bugman doesn't), so not blindly follor or blindly reject tradition.
Also I think he's wrong in stressing the fact that bugman are the way they are because of their rejection of tradition. I think that the problem comes from another place (self-worth issues I guess), because I can imagine a bugman who places his whole identity in following tradition.
Imo it comes down to the ability to think: if you have a mind and can think instead of just absorbing information and opinions followed by regurgitating them, then you are not a bugman. That's it.

 No.4649[D]

>>4626
There are a couple of things that I do not understand though,
overall, this >>4629
Why was this thread made in the first place? What is it's purpose?
You only say that "we should be open to new ideas", yet people here have long since been talking about keeping a comfy atmosphere, while not turning it into a blatant circlejerk i.e. being comfy AND allowing different opinions.
This is not the first occasion of this type of a thread that you've made https://22chan.org/sg/res/352
There you bring up a textfile of dubious origin, which describes a hierarchy on how 4chan may have been organized, and I suppose that's what you also suggest we should have here on 22.
And what bothers me specifically is-your affiliation with 64chan, where you were/are an admin, along with all the things you've done there.
+you've blatantly asked twoot to make you an admin/developer.
You are into psychology quite a bit, as you've said it yourself, and to me it feels like you are trying to use 22chan as a test playground- try to implement some features, start with them as suggestions, and if they dont work out- do the better option/variant of the plan at 64, if something fails here, you lose nothing.
Then again, 64 in it's current state is just /s4s/ lite.
And in the end, this thread by itself doesn't bring anything new to the table.
The only thing it really does give, is the denotation "bugman" to what's commonly known as a mainstream normalfag.

 No.4650[D]

>>4649
>What are you suggesting
I make these threads for the purpose of discussing my inner thoughts.
>And what bothers me specifically is-your affiliation with 64chan, where you were/are an admin, along with all the things you've done there.
64chan no longer exists
>You've blatantly asked twoot to make you an admin/developer.
More like janny/developer. I'm just sick of image boards that use Vichan.
Vichan is such a shit image board software.

If I where to experiment I would make my own site. I don't because of the overwhelming number of "alt" chans that already exist.

 No.4651[D]

>>4650
>64chan no longer exists
What?
Certainly doesn't look like it- https://64chan.site/
>discussing my inner thoughts
dropping a .doc of a supposed 4chan hierarchy in the suggestions board on 22 is hardly just a public monologue.

 No.4652[D]

Drama? On my 22chan?
holy hell this is amazing
I knew that lolico was s l i g h t l y skechy, but i [spoiler]being autistic[/spoiler] couldn't figure out how.

 No.4653[D]

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>Check 64chan
>Hispachan shit
Well, FUCK YOU LOLICO, SATTB FOR U

 No.4654[D]

>>4653
What are you saying?

 No.4655[D]

>>4650
i forgot to add
>If I where to experiment I would make my own site.
It would take you ages to get a stable userbase on your own personal chan, but here on 22 you've got what you need to try your "social experiments" on what (((features))) would work and which wouldn't.

 No.4656[D]

Unless someone made their own version of 64chan.

 No.4657[D]

Why is there so many grandiose ideas about a site that is 1 year old, and has about 20 (more or less) visitors every few days, with gaps of around 2-3 days of pure silence?
Man, i love 22chan as much as everybody else, but we need to slow down. There is no reason to do anything yet. Because there isn't a large userbase yet.
Perhaps we need to ask these questions:
How are we gonna deal with the mole?
How are we gonna get more people here, in a responcible manner?
Also, whats the point in having a discord?
Or am i just retarded?
Also, lolico, why did you really need to talk to twoot in private?

 No.4658[D]

>some copypasta-tier thread gets posted
>almost immediately focuses on Anonymous's existential crisis
Oh jesus its happining again

 No.4659[D]

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>>4658
>p h l o s o p h y t i m e
let us debate like gentlemen

 No.4660[D]

>>4659
>>3820 intensifies

 No.4663[D]

So, is this the end of this thread?

 No.4669[D]

since im not lolico this might not be 100% true but i think that this is gonna be a trilogy of threads explaining how to make 22chan and the rise and fall of internet culture and ideas and ways we could avoid that from happening, the lesson from these i think is to not make the mistakes other chans did in the past. 22chan was an escape from 4chan and other now shit imageboards because everyone could see that redditors porn posters and niggers were infesting the sites, i do agree on lolico that we more intellectuals 22chan is still a very young site so experiment with what you want thats why we have things like this thread because people experimented with things.

You rolled the number 722880527 (no dubs or higher)

 No.4670[D]

>>4651
>Certainly doesn't look like it-...
Well I was unaware they re-launched (((again)))
>dropping a .doc of a supposed 4chan hierarchy in the suggestions board on 22 is hardly just a public monologue.
Yes it is, I was speculating about how 4chan used to function and if it is wise to follow the same path.

I don't have any alterior motive, I just have a vision. Like many of us, I am depressed at the current landscape of the internet and want to make it better any way I can. I'm sorry if that makes me look manipulative or whatever shit you're on about.
>>4657
Private conversations are meant to be private, you could ask him

 No.4671[D]

I wonder if there is a diffrence between the psycology of american imageboards and japanese imageboards.
After all, 2channel is still running strong, and made plenty of mainstream movies, novels, manga, and memes. In america, 4chan is veiwed as some type of cancer. The people who use is are "terrorists" "racist" and "incels". Hell the japanese are pretty racist themselves, but nobody cares. But americans? Not allowed. and stuff that comes from it is beloved, yet nobody realises that it came from 4chan. Do you think we can utilise this info to help better 22chan? What made 2channel superior?

 No.4677[D]

>>4669
>threads explaining how to make 22chan
This thread is literally:
>we should call normalfags- "bugmen"
>don't be bugmen, thx bye
very informative.
>>4670
>I was unaware they re-launched
the admin who is in charge of all tech-stuff of 64 isn't aware of 64 relaunching?
It's how this guy said >>4652 , you are sketchy, there's certainly things that don't fit together.
>i just have a vision
Exactly, you have your own vision which you want to make real.
It would be much better if you were more open on what that vision is.
You mentioned at one thread that in your opinion "22chan could become the new 4chan and etc.", but it's as vague as it can get.
This thread, for example, doesn't really provide any further insight about it. It can maybe only serve as a newfag's guide to the plebbitor/normalfag mentality.
>>4657
>lolico, why did you really need to talk to twoot in private?
As far as i know, he spoke to twoot privately about becoming a dev and implementing "features", he didn't speak about it openly in the discord server because he knows that such proposals will actually need support from other users, but here, he cuts out everyone else and goes directly to twoot.
The only recent things from lolico in the public 22 discord server are incoherent messages, which have no topic or hardly any meaning at all.

 No.4679[D]

>>4677
>This thread is literally: we should call normalfags- "bugmen"
No, I was explaining how Reddit and 8chan are designed to appease bugmen
>the admin who is in charge of all tech-stuff of 64 isn't aware of 64 relaunching? oo sketchy
It was shutdown because maki couldn't pay server bills, I have friends on discord who are also unaware of its re-launch.
>It would be much better if you were more open on what that vision is.
If after this many threads you don't see what it is, you might want to test for autism.
I have a vision of a great website with good quality discussion. One which follows tradition while also innovating with new features. One which pushes anonymity and new ideas.

Then you accuse me of talking to twoot directly about being a dev?
Now here's some real manipulative shit, you try to get me to prove you wrong by giving you the answer. You could go ask twoot himself, I never spoke to him once about becoming a developer on 22chan.

 No.4680[D]

is this an impeachment inquiry
because that what it looks like

 No.4681[D]

So, it seems like everything was a big misunderstanding, and the responcible thing to do is to ask twoot.

 No.4682[D]

>>4626
lolico decided to DM me instead of continuing it in this thread,
but i will make at least one more post here regarding all the questions and discrepancies which lolico has raised with these threads and answers.

 No.4683[D]

>>4682
For me, i understand what happend.
I don't need to know.
But if somone else is curious, ask away.

 No.4684[D]

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>>4679
Fuck it, I'm just gonna post this now.
So, let’s start with the this specific thread.
Here overall you say nothing, as I said, imo you give the commonly known “mainstream normalfag” the denotation “bugman”. (And how infinity and reddit contribute to cultivating/catering to these nigs,ok)
The thread as such serves no purpose on it’s own, since it’s all basic knowledge. Yet you choose to tripfag on this thread. (in an earlier thread you’ve said “I only tripfag on important posts”)
And you conclude it with “Lets explore new ideas, new possibilities.”, which is just straight up saying- “let’s do new stuff and have new features”.
In my opinion, you make those threads, to gain “the popular vote”, say something vague that newfags can agree upon and establish, I dare say, false legitimacy/authority, which you will use as support to implement (((features))). And connecting this with your distinctly close affiliation with 64chan and it’s admin, it looks like your (((true motives))) are to use 22chan as your experimental test feature playground, and if the new idea fails on 22, you’ll attempt a better version on 64.
And really, yes, your close affiliation to 64chan and it’s owner, maki, is what’s been a strong fuel for this.
We have all reason to suspect you of ill intentions.
Let’s not forget that you choose not to communicate with the rest of the discord 22chan userbase, all you do is spout some [s4s] “hahaa im so random amirite guise?poopy funny yes!:P” and you don’t mention any of your ideas on how to actually make 22chan better. You make a post maybe once or twice per week.
What are these mysterious new ideas?
What are these boundaries?
And your final post?
“I have a vision of a great website with good quality discussion. One which follows tradition while also innovating with new features. One which pushes anonymity and new ideas.”
Seeing everything, looks like you are talking about your vision of 64chan. And what in the world does “pushing anonymity” mean?
(((new features)))
(((new ideas)))
I rest my case.

 No.4685[D]

Lolico,
Resident psycologist.
I summon thee,
Perhaps this could help 22chan somhow
>>4671
>>4632
Is this knowledge worth looking into,
Or just pure faggotry?

 No.4686[D]

>In my opinion, you make those threads, to gain “the popular vote”, say something vague that newfags can agree upon and establish, I dare say, false legitimacy/authority, which you will use as support to implement (((features))).
Being a "newfag" to this peticular imageboard, and mainly lurking, and trying to establish high quality content,
I daresay you put the proper words in my mouth.
Restating what i said earlyer,
>"Why is there so many grandiose ideas about a site that is 1 year old, and has about 20 (more or less) visitors every few days, with gaps of around 2-3 days of pure silence?"
Also
>forcing anonymity
Perhaps he want's to do the "forced anon" thing that 4chan did several times in it's past by getting rid of the namefag/tripfag system

 No.4687[D]

Sorry, that was rude of me,
>Pushing anonimity
Not
>Forcing anonimity

 No.4688[D]

>>4686
>forced anon
Heheheheh, IM IN DANGER, also >public vote
Nigga wut. we are running votations?
#VoteRoberta
A Vote for Roberta "RoboManiac" Milfbot is a vote for anarchy.

 No.4689[D]

If you become president robomaniac, i'll impeach you

 No.4690[D]

>>4686
>false legitimacy
welp, it's right here- >>4685
an underaged newfag who has lurked a bit on altchans is now being regarded as "resident psychologist".
>so many grandiose ideas
As I said, I don't see any "great ideas" in these series of threads, so I can't really comment on this specific point.
>Perhaps he wants to do...
Exactly, it's so fucking vague that nobody can tell what the fuck does he mean by that.
>>4688
No, milfbot, we are not having elections.

 No.4691[D]

>>4689
Why? I didnt do anything wrong yet!
Also
>>4688
CHECK EM.

 No.4701[D]

>>4684
I agree with most of the stuff you say. I didn't pay much attention to lolico's threads cause it just seemed another popular theme here already (like the "old memes" threads), but yeah his behaviour is weird. Especially considering your pic related. If that pic is legit then he's a liar (lolico pretended not to know about the site resurrection itt right? >>4670)
>Let’s not forget that you choose not to communicate with the rest of the discord 22chan userbase, all you do is spout some [s4s] “hahaa im so random amirite guise?poopy funny yes!:P” and you don’t mention any of your ideas on how to actually make 22chan better. You make a post maybe once or twice per week.
You can't fault someone for not posting much on discord imo. (You are right however that it's weird how he posts and one could think he's just trying to become more recognisable in the community)
So yeah, lolico be acting suspicious

 No.4702[D]

>>4684
I only spout random text in the random channel, that's why it's called "random" not "general".
I don't post much on the Discord because I somewhat agree with the thought that Discord may make the site itself less active(or atleast feel that way).
My only "true motives" are starting conversation about whatever is swirling around in my head. That is the purpose of the thread too.
I'm not using 22chan as "my experimental test feature playground". I just suggest these new features because everything 22chan's already done has already been done and failed before.
I have an imageboard software that I work on in private I do not need to use other sites to test new features.

Litterally the only thing that goes through my head when making these is what I'm writing down, I'm not trying to manipulate newfags, I'm not trying to use 22chan as an experiment ground.

 No.4703[D]

>>4701
pic is available on 22 discord, so literally anyone there can confirm my words.

 No.4704[D]

>>4701
64chan died many times, that pic was from the last time it died, not this time.

 No.4705[D]

>>4702
>everything 22chan's already done has already been done and failed before
Elaborate.

 No.4706[D]

>>4702
Also, there's a heavy difference between technical changes and social changes.
In this thread you only speak of social changes. Because you cannot test them out in any way on your imageboard software, which is only a empty mechanical shell without an userbase.

 No.4707[D]

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>>4702
>Im random in #random JUST because its called random!
NIGGER WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU.

 No.4708[D]

>>4701
>one could think he's trying to become more recognisable in the community
exactly, hence the tripfagging, with the intent of the false legitimized authority, as you saw a few posts back.
>>4702
>random posts go on random
Random posts like "Fluidic mass" belong in sewers, literally anyone will tell you that.
lole, it's written right in the /sewers/ sticky
>This board is for posts that are even more random as posts on /b/.
>If your post has no meaning/ makes no sense at all, then /sewers/ is the right board for you.
>Normal random posts belong on /b/.
>Rule breaks may cause ban/deletion.
And the same rules apply on discord, although i will give you the pass that indeed some rules occasionally get broken in discord,but you keep doing this repeatedly. Again and again.

 No.4709[D]

>>4705
Just that 22chan looks and works similar to just about every other 4chan wannabe clone. I can name countless 4chan clones that have failed.
>>4706
If I was trying to make Twoot change his site I would just message him directly, not make a whole new thread on /b/. These "social changes" you speak of are my own philosophies.
>>4707
Yes, I'm random in random, WHAT A SHOCK.

 No.4710[D]

>>4708
If it makes you happy I will post fluidic mass in /sewers/

 No.4712[D]

>>4709
Your "social changes" aka "philosophies" smell of treachery and subversive activities against 22chan is what I'm saying this whole time. I wouldn't be making such a big fucking fuss if I was the only one thinking it.
You have mentioned in the past that "anonymous imageboards can be the best social network" which could very well mean that your philosophy is to direct 22chan into a road of mainstream culture, not exactly full-on 100% normalfag type of shit, but "push boundaries and anonymity" just to get a steady flow of people coming.
And as I said, I'll say it once more, imo you are using these threads to create a public face to gain support from newfags who unfortunately don't know any better at this point, so you have enough support to make "your (((visions)))" come true.
This is of course the "best case" scenario, presuming that you somehow really don't see 22 as a test playground for your psychology shit.

 No.4713[D]

>>4712
What are you on?
Why would I be making any moves against 22chan?
22chan isn't gonna be "mainstream".
>And as I said, I'll say it once more, imo you are using these threads to create a public face to gain support from newfags who unfortunately don't know any better at this point, so you have enough support to make "your (((visions)))" come true.
As I said and I'll say is once more, I'm using these threads to share my thoughts.
I don't see 22chan as a test playground, I have no control over this site.
>I wouldn't be making such a big fucking fuss if I was the only one thinking it.
Sounds like someone is desperate for "supporters" and to make a face for himself

I swear this is some conspiracy theory level bullshit.

 No.4714[D]

>>4713
>Why would I be making any moves against 22chan?
i already said it several times: >>4684
"And really, yes, your close affiliation to 64chan and it’s owner, maki, is what’s been a strong fuel for this."
>Sounds like someone is desperate for "supporters" and to make a face for himself
On this point you're just gonna have to wait, hopefully, just for a few more hours for people who share the same thoughts,and who may add on some things that I have not addressed.
I do hope that you've at least got patience for it.

 No.4715[D]

Its the sneaky "arura", vibes, whatever you want to call it that lolico gives off. His phrasing, and a couple other things felt weird.

 No.4716[D]

((Felt weird to me))
If anything, it seems that lolico is a victim of bad phrasing.

 No.4718[D]

>>4716
elaborate

 No.4723[D]

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Me and lolico had a long talk about the whole thread thing, 64chan and etc.
And I believe that his threads, while often poorly worded (which was more fuel for the feud), are not made with ill intent to sabotage 22chan in favour of 64. Mostly due to the fact that he filled in the details of the past two months.
Lolico simply didn't provide the info during this thread, that maki ceased contact with him some time ago. That's also why he didn't know that 64chan was launching again.
Posting with the capcode so people know that this info is valid.

 No.4724[D]

"Watch out for redditors"
"They will try to split conversations, and turn them into circlejerks" "lets try to not split conversations, or boards. For instance : splitting /pol/ into /lefty pol/
No. Pol is pol and no one should change that"

>The final fronteir is not in the stars or at the end of technological research, but within our selves.

>Lets explore new ideas, new possibilities. Boldly go where no man has gone before!
This statment, dosn't connect with his plebbet bugman statment

All his wording is weird and his sentences are crap. Read his other thread. It boils down to :" i know imageboards inside and out, and i'm also an amature psycologist." "I can make 22chan a better place." "Lets talk in private twoot"

If he worded things better, perhaps he would look less shifty.

 No.4725[D]

>>4723
Oh, sorry i didn't see this

 No.4726[D]

>>4725
dont worry 'bout it,
it's good to have additional elaboration from other people

 No.4727[D]

Well, i'm glad the feud is over. :)

 No.4728[D]

When you asked me to elaborate, i typed everything out, and was editing what i was about to say, to make it look less autistic, and missed that post lol.

 No.4730[D]

So, what happens next?
(Mind you, i'm an autist who dosn't use discord, so i don't knows what happens there.)

 No.4731[D]

>>4730
This thread probably ends here, it will be up of course, maybe someone wants to add or elaborate something.
There's gonna be more activity in the "constitution"/"new rules of the internet thread", at least it looks like it. You can look at it as the lucky offspring of this thread >>4633 since the idea appeared here.
But i kinda doubt that there's gonna be any more of those from here.
As I said, who knows,maybe something springs up.

 No.4740[D]

>>4689
*assassinate

 No.4742[D]

>itt: lcg spazzes out at lolico for being manipulative and shady as if he's any better
Where the fuck do you think you are, you standoffish cunt? Twitter? Are we gonna #cancel lolico? Ultimately, I don't give a macaque's fishy shit. I'm here to fucking converse with anons about things I care about and maybe some things I don't. I did NOT come here to get wrapped up in some clash of the trannycord bullshit. Get your acts together and stop tearing our boards apart with your faggotry.

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>>4742
Like i said on some other thread, all comments are important, no matter how negative, AND I THINK THIS ONE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

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>>4742
i'd rather protect 22chan by whacking some possible traitor than let one run loose and damage our home.
>as if he's any better
elaborate

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>>4742
Also
>Are we gonna #cancel lolico?
No, you absolute retard, the conclusion to this feud is that people should be more critical of "new suggestions and features" and for people who actually do want to suggest something- to word their ideas correctly, without widely-interpretable metaphors, which can lead to,well, the whole ordeal we had yesterday.

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If you need the situation spelled out for you then I guess the responsibility falls on me.
>>4747
>quoting a totalitarian communist dictator
yeah ok slav.
Innocent until proven guilty is the way to go with this sort of thing. This isn't banning some anon who advertised a discord server or posted a reddit meme, this is publicly lynching a prominent ideological figure. You need to think it out a little more thoroughly and get some hard evidence before lighting the torches and assembling the mob.
>elaborate
Gladly. Here's a quick list I pulled out by skimming the thread of the things you accused Lolico of. Kindly note that many of them could easily be pointed towards you.
>Excessive tripfagging to build illusory prestige
Yeah, that's a whorishly douchey thing to do. We're all in agreement on that. But it's also literally you (don't try to get out of this by saying it's just namefagging, impersonation of mods is a bannable offense so whenever you put your name on anything it is in essence the same as using a trip. Also you did it long before you were a mod so that's not much of an excuse either.)
>Potential affiliation with other imageboards
I'm not going to cover this one since it already got sorted out, really just a misunderstanding. Once again, get your shit straightened out before assembling the mob.
>Running some sort of psy-op
Who isn't, honestly. Easy to claim, hard to prove. I've had the same thought about you several times, and I know I can't be the only one.

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 No.4751[D]

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>Manipulation of our dear old Twoot
You don't give our leader enough credit. Even if Lolico did convince him to make some bizarre change to the site he'd probably run it past everyone first anyway, because that's just the kind of huggable sweetie-poo he is. Everyone is entitled to talk with Twoot in private. So what if Lolico wanted to talk about more technical things out of earshot of greasy, opinionated retards who don't know what he's actually talking about? More power to him.
Do you see what you did here? You ran off half-cocked and tried to start a witch hunt without any sort of evidence. If you had a hunch Lolico was shady, here's what you should have done:
>Spoken out AS AN ANON.
You could have said something on one of the threads like "Why should we listen to you anyway? It's common knowledge that you're an admin for 64ch. How do we know you're not trying to sabotage us/running a psy-op/experimenting on an existing imageboard with a steady userbase?" It's the difference between being a guy who lobs a tomato at some loudmouth standing on a crate and being an attention-whoring blowhard who seems to think he’s a one-man army. Coming in full force with trips a-blazing was hypocritical and crippled many of your arguments from the start.
>Acquired your evidence
I've already ripped on you pretty hard for this but I'll say it again because it's important. Get your shit straightened out BEFORE assembling the mob.

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 No.4752[D]

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>Considered settling Discord shit in the Discord
In this instance you could be given a break because you were scared about all the poor innocent vulnerable featherheaded anons who would be completely lost without you, but come on. This kind of drama isn’t needed or wanted siteside. Once the fallout has settled you can post your screenshots so the anons know what to watch for. Here, it looks like you tried to swoop in like Superman to denounce the EVIL Lolico then stand on a pedestal while we all sucked your dick. If I had to compare it to a historical event, it would be Stalin giving Trotsky the boot then using him as a boogeyman.
Don’t get me wrong, I think you're a swell guy and one of the best mods we could ask for. Your fast actions have saved us from many dangerous people already. But this show of reactionary faggotry and exploited standing was not impressive, to be generous. You're better off sticking with what you're good at.
I'm not saying Lolico did nothing wrong, I'm not saying that LCG is an enemy. I'm just saying that this was a childish display of everything we all swore off of when we left 4/8/reddit/twitter/facebook/spacechan. Let's be brothers in our anonymity again, that's all I want.
>>4746
Thank you.

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 No.4754[D]

>>4752
Don't forget the fact that lolico also is a victim of poor wording, and the fact that everybody should have done more research before jumping to conclusions.
I do agree with being innocent untill proven guilty.

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>>4754
>lolico also is a victim of poor wording
But I wonder who is the author of this “poor wording”.
Who is responsible for it?
It’s ALMOST as if he wrote those posts himself.
>>4750
>yeah ok slav
Sure, refuse using certain methods and knowledge for the sole reason that someone you don't like used it. It’s the same as jews rejecting all “tips and tricks”, so to say, which are written in Mein Kampf or any other piece of nazi literary works.
>illusory prestige
lolico used a trip on posts like "I study the design of websites. I know how they work technically, programmatically, and psychologically."
And I namefagged on posts like “where are you schizocat?” and “sage”
That hardly seems to be the same thing.
Context matters. Does it not?
>impersonating a mod is a bannable offense
So, a mod using his name without the capcode counts as “impersonation”? You’ve kinda lost me on this one.

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>affiliation with other imageboards
As you can see, lolico didn't mention a single time that maki ghosted him and ceased contact due to lolico's absolute technical incompetence. He only said it in the DMs later.
Maybe that's why he didn't want to say it- it makes his earlier statements in his threads, about him understanding websites, pretty much invalid and his info untrustworthy.
That’s a speculation, but you appearantly only like:
>HARD EVIDENCE
Well, why do you think i was fucking asking lolico in this thread about his status with 64? I mentioned it in my literally first post that actually addresses the OP right here >>4649
Lolico's messages about 64chan:
>I somehow became admin of 64 who is in charge of all tech, cool huh?! (2 months ago in discord)
>64 is dead. Oh wait it isn't. I swear I didn't know. (literally yesterday in this thread)
There's a large empty timeslot about which nobody knows nothing about, so there's no way that you can say that it didn't look fishy.
Why wasn’t he willing to disclose more info in the thread right at the beginning?
I mentioned my possible speculation earlier.
This wasn’t just a “simple misunderstanding”. This was a deliberate act of not disclosing all relevant information.

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Yeah, consider this an impeachment inquiry like this guy said >>4652
This wasn’t the trial, this was forwarding the articles (questions and allegations) to lolico, so we could get at least a bit closer to truth.
>me accusing lolico of “running some sort of psy-op”
Well, looks like that was just me overestimating lolico’s “psychology” skills which he advertised. My bad.
>You don't give others enough credit
That’s where I can partially agree upon.
But, seeing anons refer to lolico, you know the context so i wont repeat myself here (since i think ive been doing that quite a bit in this thread, sorry), as a “resident psychologist” really makes me think that the situation is indeed that bad.
>looks like you tried to swoop in like Superman to denounce the EVIL Lolico/ you should have speaked out as Anon
Would this point still stand if I hadn’t namefagged?
I saw lolico as a threat and I stepped in with questions.
“Stalin disguised in a crowd throwing a tomato at Trotsky” VS “Stalin throwing a tomato at Trotsky openly”
I don’t see all that much difference there.
BUT
I guess what you really wanted to see, or technically not see, really, is the matter getting settled in DMs.
And I do agree that it would have solved the problem of me “looking like attempting to play a hero role”.

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Why did I choose to voice my opinion while namefagging?
Probably so lolico would see from the beginning where the accusations are coming from.
Why didn’t i use discord DMs if i wanted to speak of such matters with him?
I really can’t explain that, the only explanation there is that it was a rushed decision which is certainly my mistake.
Here I really do have nothing to add, other than I am sorry.
Hopefully and God willing, there won’t be a next time to practically use this advice though. Probably a painful experience for everyone who was involved and also to everyone who had to witness this ordeal.

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The big deal about lolicos "psycology" skills is that there is no proof that he is some type of psycologist.

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I am not a psychologist. When I said I study the psychology of websites I mean I study how certain technical design decisions can sway users to act and think in specific ways.

Namefagging adds a bit more legitimacy to your claims so I can understand why it was important in this case. It also let me know specifically who was criticizing me, which I appreciate.

>>4757
>lolico's absolute technical incompetence
Hey that's mean ;_;
I hade to through shit together in a day. If you had to do something like bake a cake in 30 minutes, I would guarantee it would be worse than if you had a full day.

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>>4761
>I hade to through shit together in a day
*I had to throw shit together, in a DAY.

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>>4762
Well, it went something like this:
>Maki gives me server login
>I get a basic imageboard setup
>Maki sees that and announces the whole thing is done and ready for launch

http://rileyjamesbell.ml/ch/fikaba_plus/
^ This is my own software I've been working on for the past month
* This is not an entire "chan", just the private software I said I work on.

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>>4756
Lolico I am very concerned with you wanting to change 22chan.
I am concerned because were a admin of 64chan. With the lack of success on 64chan how can you make 22chan successful? You aligned with a sketchy person who ghosted you and this demonstrates poor judgement. How can you propose change when you have poor judgement of character? As Lolicatgirl showed, the mods are on the constant watch of sketchy people. As a mod it is my task to keep 22chan a good site. We have to be careful about any changes we make because it could ruin the site.
As of now I would say 22chan is doing good, so why should we make any changes at this point? We cannot afford failed experiments here. Twoot trusts the mods’ opinion and yet you argue with lolicatgirl about his motives and you cause additional drama.
Explain- why should we trust you?
Note that this is a simple critique and I am not attacking lolico.
[spoiler]people keep saying that all opinions matter, yet they get angry and extremely defensive about anything negative[/spoiler]

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>>4764
My lack of success on 64chan was due to the fact that almost all my time was preoccupied with fixing bugs. The majority of the time I was working with 64chan it was with a software called "mitsuba" which was very buggy but the only thing we both agree on.
The management was also a mess.
So you couldn't blame me for the failure of 64chan. I have more faith in 22chan. 22chan is much more stable on multiple levels, I wouldn't make these suggestions if I thought otherwise.

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>people keep saying that all opinions matter, yet they get angry and extremely defensive about anything negative.
I think it's because no one got the full scope of the story. They heard one thing, and reacted without knowing everything.
(Or at least, that what i see when i look at this thread.)

>Twoot trusts the mods’ opinion and yet you argue with lolicatgirl about his motives and you cause additional drama.

(What happened there?)

>the mods are on the constant watch of sketchy people. As a mod it is my task to keep 22chan a good site.

(I'd be more concerned if the mods didn't react to this event. Keep it up.)
To keep everyone less angry, can someone try to explain the full story? From the begining?
Even lolico can pitch in his side of the story
Perhaps this is an idiotic idea, but everyone can fill in the blanks, so we can understand things, and figure out what to do next. (Instead of angrily reacting like a bunch of retards)

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Or, perhaps i have poor judgement, and i'm another retard, in the retard bin.
I was just thinking, that getting the full story, from the start might help everyones judgement, since the story isn't over yet.



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